The Scribble Pad: Um, Jimmy Moore is also a white supremacist? Can we abandon him yet?

Wednesday, December 26, 2012

Um, Jimmy Moore is also a white supremacist? Can we abandon him yet?

It just gets worse and worse.

Readin' carbsanity, which is like perez hilton of the low carb world, a commenter dropped this fantastic super sized nugget of awesome/omg/RUSERIUZ?

Diana December 25, 2012 6:41 PM

I checked out the train wreck of the site that is Livin' La Vida Low Carb. He gives 36 shiny new links to "LC, Paleo and Health blogs."

No. 14 is neo-Nazi David Duke. (No links, you'll just have to look it up yourself.)

Someone called him on it in the post. Moore responded that the nutritional info was "spot on."

I'm wondering whether there isn't something REALLY wrong with this guy. That is one seriously effed up answer.

Evelyn aka CarbSaneDecember 26, 2012 6:39 AM

What I don't get is that he published two comments about the Duke linking, responded, then deleted it.

by Rian Yyrkah
You’re a fan of David Duke?

by LLVLCBlog
His nutrition stuff is spot on.

by Diana Moon
David Duke is a neo-Nazi. Because you agree with him about nutrition, you link to him?

by LLVLCBlog
He invited me on his radio show and his nutrition thoughts are on target with the low-carb message. What he believes outside of diet and health doesn’t really matter to me.

Jimmy Moore on Duke's radio show? Wowza

Okay. I checked, and it is real. I PHOTOED IT. I TOOK A PICTURE. Look.:

OMG. I am that baby. That's my brain's reflexive reaction upon scrolling down the chubby optimists' blog and seeing DAVID FUCKIN DUKE as link #14.

I think it's time anyone and everyone just turn their backs on JM. It's not enough he's a fool but apparently he's a neonazi, or at least making low carbers look so damned ridiculous day in day out. DAVID DUKE. Are you serious?

I feel like Chris Rock when he described black peoples' reaction to Michael Jackson' being accused of child molestation for the second time. ANOTHER FUCKIN' KID!! We love michael so much we let that first kid SLIDE!

I think all low carbers feel like this about Jimmy at this point in time. He is now the Michael Jackson of low carbing. FOR. REAL. Done with Jimmy!

It's cute how Jimmy tries to say "I don't care about David Duke's neo nazi beliefs". GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE, do we look like idjits? Ok, don't answer that... people have been buying your books so yes I suppose you do think we are. It's so OBVIOUS he links Duke simply to expose people to these crazy white supremicist ideas. Why on earth would any normal person allow themselves to be associated with David Duke *unless* they agreed with crazy shit like a white pure race, a white homeland, and the JEWISH CONSPIRACY, etc. This is not incidental, this is purposeful, and JM doesn't have the courage to openly state his beliefs...just merely hopes people click the link and get "awakened white man!"
Ahahaha.

PS, someone tell Eleanor over at FTA: the racists int he paleo community are getting less shy now, they're talking about it now! We always knew they were here, it was just a nudge and a budge to get them to more openly do things like, be a guest on David Duke's show. Paleo has so many themes of "perfection" and "supremacy" it's really not much of a leap to start chattering about your perfect christian god and your perfect 400 pound obese ancestors.

I can't, I really can't.

Tell me my parody was wrong.
Ughhh.

79 comments:

Brian said...: He really is a buffoon, isn't he?

Would he link to, say, a low carb Black Panther? Or even something lighter, like Samuel L. Jackson or Chris Rock - both of which have made some majorly bigoted comments? "But Sam's dietary advice is right on. I don't really care that he hates white people."; December 26, 2012 at 9:46 AM
gallier2 said...: OMG, you also start to fall for all these "Pavlovian reaction inducing political manipulations". I tried to explain it over at RN blog, it's a simple technique of vilification: give some "official" looney some real truth to publish and voilà, that truth is tainted and can be ridiculed without further notice.

I noticed already several times, that the low-carb* message, which is a message of Truth, because it is rediscovered regularly, independantly and efficiently (Hypocrates, Brillat-Savarin, Banting, MacKarness, Lutz, Atkins, Kwasniewsky, Groves, Eades and many, many more), if it appears in the mainstream media, will always be shown as fringe or if it is shown in a positive light, always by despictable persons. It was not fluke imo, that Dr.Eades got a nice interview by Bill O'Reilly on Fox.

That fake** dissidents like Duke, are promoting low-carb means that it is making inroads and starts really to make a difference. Now the "Empire" has to play dirty, as they do when there is a real threat (insert your preferred conspiracy here...).

* low-carb being defined as the message that high-carb emphasizes on which the mainstream thrives is wrong and arse-about.

** I know full well who Duke is and what his message is and describing him as neo-nazi or white suppremascist is shortsighted and incomplete. One needs a little bit more culture and experience of manipulation to understand that person and its role. To make it short, he is not on my list of good guys but not for the same reasons than people expressed above.; December 26, 2012 at 10:47 AM
Exceptionally Brash said...: Oh gosh, jimmy linked to my blog a couple of times, surprised the entire paleo community didn't kick him out entirely right thenandthere.; December 26, 2012 at 11:02 AM
Kade Storm said...: I don't think any of this is relevant to low-carb. It is relevant to the kind idiots that have to be linked to support a dietary philosophy of all things (wha?).

My choice of music is pretty high and well with a lot of skin heads and nationalist fascists, but that doesn't mean I'll parade around with 'em. No thanks. People need to wise up a little with the allegiances they form.

"** I know full well who Duke is and what his message is and describing him as neo-nazi or white suppremascist is shortsighted and incomplete. One needs a little bit more culture and experience of manipulation to understand that person and its role. To make it short, he is not on my list of good guys but not for the same reasons than people expressed above." - Gallier2

As do I, but I get the feeling we disagree on the matter. I am just going to set aside the label since every angsty kid who gets bullied and picked on in an ethnically diverse 'hood' is at risk of 'Neo Nazi Syndrome', which they often get over once they realise there's more to the world than teenage years, but then there's the emotionally stunted psychopaths.

What David Duke represents, as a politician and a public figure, is absolute, categorical, puerile poison and it can be best demonstrated with the nonsense he spewed over in Syria around seven or so odd year back. It goes on to establish just what kind of backward, theocratic political culture the man appeals to and resonates with and that in itself is reason/warning enough, not to waste more cerebral energy trying to figure out something that is essentially built on the ashes of old-world irrationality and dogma.

I am sure there's more to the conceited prick than meets the eye, but there's little reason to bother giving a shit about a bucket of rotting human vomit with an overwhelming scent of arrogance.; December 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM
gallier2 said...: Oh, we agree more than you realize. Duke is all the above you said, but, and that is the point I try to make, it is the sole purpose of his (media) existence, he is not genuine. He was crafted for the specific purpose of poisoning the well.

He vehicules some "real truths", but these truths are definitely and irrevocably tainted. This 101 Hegelian dialectics. There are several other people that play similar roles but with completely different audiences. DD is on the right spectrum but one can find similar roles on the left (Michael Moore for example, or even in a certain way Noam Chomsky).

I am not here to tell which parts of the discours of DD (or MM) are "thruths" or credible or false. I'm here only to tell, if it has (inter)national media exposure it is manipulation.

The big remaining question is then, manipulation but by whom?

That question, I will not answer here but asking that question and trying to answer it is already part to the journey one can follow to extract oneself from this manipulation.; December 26, 2012 at 12:46 PM
gallier2 said...: btw: I will not state my (political) positions here, or emit the doubts I have on parts of the official narrative, because taking a position, like leftist or right wing is already playing by the rule of manipulator. There are right wing positions I agree with, there are leftist idea I'm completely comfortable with, I hate with guts right wing bigots, but hate as much the green loonies on the left.
Playing the left/right game is already surrendering its independence of thought.; December 26, 2012 at 12:54 PM
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Anon said...: That's pretty depressing. I've actually stood up for JM in the past.

JM is actually linking to a blog that sports content like this:

The Great Porn Experiment — One More Devastating Jewish Globalist Influence and How to Overcome It!

Commentary By Dr. David Duke; December 26, 2012 at 4:59 PM
ItsTheWooo said...: @Brian Indeed.
The excuse that he is on David Duke's blog because of nutrition is ridiculous. David Duke is an infamous white supremacist. INFAMOUS. Anyone associated with Duke by definition endorces ideas like the perfection of the white race, and a jewish global conspiracy. The jewish conspiracy is one of the first links on the david duke blog!

Jimmy Moore is an excellent marketer, he absolutely knows how people think. This is not an oversite, this is intentional.

PS: I wonder if there is a group of low carb zealots who believe the "jewish conspiracy" is behind a lack of acceptance of low carb dieting??? OMG ESCANDALO! I can easily see a situation where a few nutbars are gathering together talking about the jewish mega-conspiracy of corporations, purposely suppressing information about low carb diets, or *worse*, purposely making white people fat and lazy with endocrine disorders to control them!!! IMAGINE THE POSSIBILITIES.

But, isn't Gary Taubes jewish? I always assumed he was jewish. I wonder what GT thinks about this...

"JM, prominent low carb blogger, links to white supremacist/jewish conspiracy pusher, David Duke"; December 26, 2012 at 9:04 PM
ItsTheWooo said...: @gallier2

I am less concerned with how people like carbsane can use this inappropriately (as ammo against low carbing in general) and much more concerned with the fact we have a prominent low carber trying to convert people to white supremacy.

It's entirely possible david duke eats a low carb diet, it wouldn't matter at all, that's irrelevant, what is relevant is that JM is trying to bring DUKE into the wings of low carbers, expose him / promote him to low carbers, and thus associate all of us with this kind of fucking craziness.

Duke absolutely is a white supremacist, and he also is an irrational extreme antisemite who believes in a jewish global conspiracy. I don't see how anyone can argue this, I'm sort of confused as to your position... are you saying we should regard David Duke with neutrality? LOL.; December 26, 2012 at 9:09 PM
ItsTheWooo said...: @EB Your response, along with gallier, is so depressing.

Duke is a viscious antisemite, he would promote ideas such as exterminating jews if it were possible. He's a horrible human being.

David Duke is an infamous antisemite and white supremacist. Unless you consider yourself among such company I have no idea why you would compare yourself to David Duke. Do you understand the implications of this, because it seems as if you don't at all.

@Kade again, your response confuses me. David Duke is an open antisemite who believes in a jewish global conspiracy. Why are we speaking as if this were some controversial figure, as opposed to a crackpot promoting toxic ideas who should be rejected unequivocally?

@xxxxx & anon : thank you both for responding in a sane manner. The responses of gallier and kade and EB made me think I was in some kind of bizzaro universe.; December 26, 2012 at 9:13 PM
ItsTheWooo said...: From davidduke.com:

"Want to get into Harvard? Tell them you’re Jewish!

...

The figures I am presenting here do not account for relative qualification, only for the likelihood of a member of the various racial groups getting into Harvard."

^^^O I C, so you're basically misrepresenting the truth, then, making it seem as if there is some harvard jewish conspiracy when in reality perhaps more jewish people are QUALIFIED to get into harvard due to a cultural emphasis on education and achievement? I.e. you are a fucking bigot moron?; December 26, 2012 at 11:00 PM
ItsTheWooo said...: OMG maybe Gary Taubes is part of the Harvard jewish conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111

:O :O :O :O :O

!!!!!!!!!!11111 oneonene!!111; December 26, 2012 at 11:02 PM
ItsTheWooo said...: AHAHAH I can read this all day!

"If large numbers of whites pass themselves off as Jews on college applications, it will make it more difficult for Jewish admissions officers to continue with their practice of concentrating privilege on Jews and marginalizing whites. Don’t worry if your name is McGillicutty. In my experience it is just those half-breeds who are most likely to wear their Jewish heritage on their sleeves. And once you are admitted, you are under no obligation to continue the masquerade."

I can't! I don't know what's better/more hilarious, the fact JM promotes david duke at #14 on his blog, or the actual content of the david duke blog!

WHITE MAN, IF YOU WANT TO STOP THE EVIL JUDEN, IT IS OF THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE YOU MASQUERADE AS ONE TO GAIN THEIR TRUST.; December 26, 2012 at 11:09 PM
Galina L. said...: I am afraid I put believers into the "global Jewish conspiracy" in the same category as deniers of evolution - just some marginal group with underdeveloped brains, but with additional moral flaw besides mental deficiency. There are different creatures under the sun, I just try to say away.
Does it mean, I wish JM to stay fat forever? No. Poor guy is not particularly sharp in a brain department, continues to jump from one thing to another while desperately trying to loose weight. May be I am wrong, but I give more slack to not very bright people when they make wrong choices. I am not going to his blog often unlike Diane(it seems to me she is so obsessed with fighting LC dogma that absolutely can't stay away from Jimmy's blog while hating him for his lack of desire to count CICO more than for directing people to some questionable blog) , podcasts are not my thing.; December 26, 2012 at 11:55 PM
Anon said...: He's South Carolina born & bred. What do you expect?

Several years ago, I actually considered getting a vacation place in coastal S. Carolina, as I think it's really gorgeous. (And maybe I read too many Pat Conroy novels.) But I couldn't pull the trigger, as I kept having visions of being pulled over by cops who'd never seen a Jew before. I thought I was perhaps being alarmist in my fear of being the only jew for a thousand miles, but it looks like I made the right call.

BTW, did you know that Blogger thinks "jew" is misspelled, and insists on "Jew"? Fun fact.

Anyway, I'm a bit distressed to find myself in Carbsane's camp, but such is life.

Why is that jerk allowed to lead panel discussions? No, I'm not doing my Melissa McEwen impression, I really want to know.

It's unacceptable.; December 27, 2012 at 12:43 AM
Anon said...: By the way, Melissa & Evelyn, if you want to kill Jimmy, the anti-Semitism thing will have traction. Everything else you've tried just reads as bitchiness, but this will stick.

Happy to help.; December 27, 2012 at 12:54 AM
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Anon said...: You may have said it, but I have no idea what the fuck it was.

Maybe you could put it in English, unless it's just more racist drivel.

In that case, spare us.

Thanking you in advance,

Anon; December 27, 2012 at 1:19 AM
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Anon said...: Got it.

What's your nationality, & your native language?; December 27, 2012 at 1:40 AM
ItsTheWooo said...: @Galina JM is both of those things, so what more evidence do we need to denounce him? Do we need low carbers like this insisting on hogging camera time? I sure don't want this guy representing anything about me, not even a diet.

Diane is a lunatic, as are most carbsanians, but obsessed luantics can be useful sometimes...like ferriting out insanity in our midst.

@Anon I think you should use the david duke advice but turn it around to your advantage: learn how to say "shucks yall" and start yapping about jesus and damned liberals. Also, become really obese by drinking sweet tea.

They will never know the difference and you can infiltrate their community, jewishing it up, just like Heinrich Himmler warned us would happen. Perhaps then we will stop electing warmongering gun nuts who believe in controlling women as property if so. I am all in favor of uber secret conspiracy opperation: secret jew.

PS anon, can I join the conspiracy? I hate people like Jimmy Moore and totally denounced jesus-forms of religion, so can I be honorary jew IN TEH CONSPIRACY? Plz?

Also, AI this will kill Jimmy if they are smart enought to run with it. This is way worse than MRSAgate.

@xxxx being critical of irsael/palestine does not require blaming "jews" or being critical of "jews" as if they were one mass entity with a uniform belief system motivation regarding all political matters. There are many jewish people critical of israel, and many non-jewish christians who would support israel no matter what. Furthermore, bigots and fanatics exist in all cultures, and certainly they exist among jewish people. I've met/interacted with such extremists, and really, the only difference between them and white supremacists/extremists is the fact they are ultimately minorities in a majority culture.; December 27, 2012 at 2:06 AM
xxxxxxxxxxxx said...: Just think , if it werent for extremists, I never would have met my roommate, and her daughter wouldnt be married to her wonderful husband! Fleeing victims of extremism often understand this whatever thier persuation.; December 27, 2012 at 2:10 AM
Anon said...: Wooo, you're wicked smart, hilarious, see yourself as an outsider and are filled with self-loathing. As far as I'm concerned, you're already Jewish.

And yes, the right in Israel is doing all they can to make anti-Semitism seem like a solid choice for the rest of the world.

I'm a bit sad about Mssr. Gallier, though. I like him, certainly more than I like JM.

And Gallier is only a million times more intelligent and better-read than JM. Which makes it even more depressing.; December 27, 2012 at 2:22 AM
xxxxxxxxxxxx said...: Sorry I cut you off anon. Im speaking over my head and I dont want attract bad juujuu to Wooos blog. Stupid is as stooopid does as they say.; December 27, 2012 at 2:29 AM
gallier2 said...: Woo and anon, you didn't get it either, xxxx is quite near. I am not defending Duke or JM or white supremacism (my wife is African and my children are mixed race). Supremacism is idiotic and bad, but my point is that these idiots like Duke (and many more) are that way, by design. Follow the money, who finances him, why does he and his ilks get so much air-time? To access a national or an international media presence is not easy, try it, you'll see.

There is a cabal of global elitists, that think of themselves as being entitled to lead people worldwide and consider the common as nothing more than cattle.
Are some of them jews? Yes, definitely.
Are all of them jews? Not by a long shot.
Are these globalist evil? Resounding yes.
Do I know them? Some yes, most not.
What doctrine (philosophy) do these people follow? There are several and libraries could be filled with them, but most follow a simple pattern:
our group (insert your fav. group: nazis, whites, jews, obesity researchers, illuminaty, Bush clan, Rothchild, whatever) knows best how to run everything because we are (stronger, whiter, chosen by G.d, graduated at University, enlightend by Lucifer, Bush, Rothchild, whatever) and anyone not being part of our group is fair game.

These groups exist, they are evil, they sometime are intertwined, they sometime fight each other, they may form alliances for a common goal, but all are psychopatic entities that will kill, maim, enslave for their own profit.

It is the struggle between elitism and universalism, these are the 2 only categories I consider.

What I am trying to say at the meta level is, that the categories (pigeon hole) in which we try to put the good guys against the bad guys are flawed and imposed by someone else and that we are not conscious of that.

There are absolutly evil jews (read up on Avigdor Lieberman or listen to some colonists or read comments on the jpost) and there are a lot of fantastic nice jews (Gary Taubes or my roommate when I studied), but caracterizing them only as "Jews" is wrong, because it gives a free pass to the bad ones and vilifies completely innocents. Playing the game of Duke, even by condemning everything he says, is already endorsing this pigeon-holing.
The only counter to that is education of logical fallacies and avoiding amalgamations. The world is much more complex than the categories the "standard mainstream" only provides.
I hope this time it is a bit clearer. It's difficult to be subtle in a third language especially when treading on subjects that are minefields, where everyones has been trained (by school and media) to react like Pavlov's dog on trigger words and these are different from continent to continent.; December 27, 2012 at 4:02 AM
gallier2 said...: And I will not add a lot to the conversation. It took me 2 hours to write the above and it is only scratching at the surface of what I really try to express. That writing thing is really not mine.; December 27, 2012 at 4:06 AM
gallier2 said...: Some clarifications on my comment. About media-presence. Real dissidents don't get any airtime, they are not interviewed.
If their names appear in press, it will always be connoted in a negative way.
They won't be able to publish except as self-publishers. If they manage to publish, their books won't get any recension.
I could give examples but they relate only to France, so dropping names wouldn't be helpful, especially since googling these names will only yield negativity. I know some of them (1 actually) personnaly and he is the nicest guy one could imagine, but according to his media-presence he eats children for breakfast.

I saw Duke several times on US national TV interviewed by known jewish hosts (Savage, King). If he was genuine, that wouldn't happen.; December 27, 2012 at 4:17 AM
xxxxxxxxxxxx said...: Im happy Im old enough to remember a time when we had actual investigative journalists like Greg Palast. There was a day when the news wasnt scripted and handed to all the networks only to be paraphrased by either a fox news or msnbc slant. Oh those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end.; December 27, 2012 at 4:47 AM
Sidereal said...: Somebody should tell Gary Taubes so he can bring it up at the next evil Zionist world domination meeting.

P.S. Not surprised by this. Jimmy is not a very bright guy and he is very dogmatic in his thinking (creationism, fat good carbs evil etc.). Folks like him NEED a simple explanation for everything.; December 27, 2012 at 5:42 AM
Kade Storm said...: Wooo,

Uh, I pretty much consider him the scum at the bottom of the Draconian pits.

Did I really seem timid in my response when I wrote the following:

"What David Duke represents, as a politician and a public figure, is absolute, categorical, puerile poison and it can be best demonstrated with the nonsense he spewed over in Syria around seven or so odd year back. It goes on to establish just what kind of backward, theocratic political culture the man appeals to and resonates with and that in itself is reason/warning enough, not to waste more cerebral energy trying to figure out something that is essentially built on the ashes of old-world irrationality and dogma. "

I think that's pretty much deeming him an inexcusable crackpot.

Although I do believe that this shouldn't have anything to do with low-carb. Hell, no nutritional community needs to be represented by such individuals.

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@Gallier2

Fair enough, this isn't about our personal politics or getting caught between two false poles. However, I hope you can appreciate when I borrow from your sentiment in another comments thread where you referenced Voltaire.

While I can identify two forms of extremism, I wouldn't go for the equivocation of a laughable green-movement circus parade with the outright scum of the far right who have a historically established and celebrated bond with the genocidal chapters of our collective ethos. I laugh at one group and I am outright resentful and cautious of the other. One of no consequence but a few laughs while the other's a valid threat to the enlightenment.

Similarly, I would never in a million years even bring up a humane--albeit radical--academic such as Noam Chomksy, whose work in linguistics I followed as an undergraduate, with the likes of these intellectually crippled scoundrels such as David Duke.; December 27, 2012 at 8:33 AM
Stargazey said...: Hi, Wooo. I just read this blog entry today and was rather surprised at your characterization of Jimmy Moore. I believe he is an evangelical Christian. Evangelicals are taught that the Jews are still God's chosen people and are to be respected because of that. And evangelicals tend to be very strong supporters of Israel.

I'm no fan of Jimmy Moore for reasons I won't go into here. But I doubt that white supremacy is on his agenda. It's just not consistent with what the vast majority of Bible-believing Christians are taught in church.; December 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM
Kade Storm said...: That's true but I don't know how much longer he can hide behind such religious beliefs when he gets involved with complete crazies and then claims that their 'views out of nutrition [blah blah blah] do not matter.' Mind you, we'll discount his prior slip-ups that also imply dishonesty and simply judge on this rather large token.

At this point on the spectrum, it seems like we're looking at a phenomenal ignoramus at best, and a wilful hypocrite at worst; the rest is kind of meaningless. The jury can take their pick.; December 27, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Sweet Tart said...: Thanks for this post woo. I am a long-term low-carber and there aren't very many places for us on the 'net. I am shocked that anyone would post a link to that evil nutjob and then try and defend it. There is no defense unless he was truly ignorant and when presented with the evidence he removed the link. But apparently he stands by this guy. Disgusting. I am officially done with JM.; December 27, 2012 at 2:24 PM
Galina L. said...: Wooo, LC community is like general society - there are all sorts of people around. I actually have no idea is JM is a white supremacist or not. Who knows, maybe his connection with somebody who is the one is just a misguided attempt to widen his audience. People say there are groups of people who don't eat grains just because they hope it is a way to piss-of US government. May be they will use "DONATE" button more frequently than his usual audience. He has a business to run.I don't think it is a license to do whatever that insures some cash flow, but because I don't support him financially, and I hardly read his blog, I guess I have no say in how he conducts his business of selling LCarbing. I don't think that every LC blogger represent me or you.

I indeed feel strongly about racists of all sorts, I didn't sort it out for myself if JM is the one yet. So far it looks for me he is a "whatever" guy. If he indeed is turning in such direction, I will say something here and there.; December 27, 2012 at 2:33 PM
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Anon said...: Stargazey, Galina, please. No one is that stupid.

No one goes on David Duke's radio show if they don't support his beliefs. NO ONE.

JM's protestations are nonsense. "I'm not linking to Satan because I support evil; I just think the guy's a genius with a flame broiler." BULLSHIT.; December 27, 2012 at 2:48 PM
Sweet Tart said...: I tried to post a comment on JM's blog post this morning. It wasn't published but I just got an email from him that the link to DD had been removed.; December 27, 2012 at 2:49 PM
xxxxxxxxxxxx said...: Geee thanks Jimmy, Im still done defending your silly ass.; December 27, 2012 at 4:19 PM
Exceptionally Brash said...: hey Woo, I have been having trouble lately telling the difference between your regular rants and parody rants, and I thought this one was a parody. Like, people linking to Dick because sometimes they think he says something relevant.
I have never read or heard Duke, only know that he is controversial, and just the latest paleo-evil-nutjob-of-the-month-club selection. Do we chastise every luminary who still links to Dick? How about the person-who-knows-better trading tweets with the carb-insane? Is Duke's venom really any worse than Melissa's?
BTW, Taubes mentioned in one of his books that he is Italian.; December 27, 2012 at 7:24 PM
Sidereal said...: Is Duke's venom really any worse than Melissa's?

Many orders of magnitude, yes.; December 27, 2012 at 7:32 PM
Sweet Tart said...: @Brash, David Duke is a notorious white supremacist and yes it is worse than other paleo crazies--not even in the same league. It is the spreading of hatred and evil and there is no reason or excuse to do so.; December 27, 2012 at 7:33 PM
Anon said...: I'm pretty sure that Melissa is neither a Holocaust denier nor a Klan member.; December 27, 2012 at 7:45 PM
Galina L. said...: gallier,
I think I understand what you are saying - it is complicated, there is too wide spectrum to react the same on everything which looks rightly or not like nationalistic bs.
There is another aspect of the problem. Quite regularly I am outraged what some people are saying who I knew all my life, who are some old friends. I can't discard everyone who got caught into such retarded way of thinking because it is the environment they are in. It is my problem when I go to Russia. I try to let people know how I think without picking up fights.; December 27, 2012 at 7:59 PM
ItsTheWooo said...: @Gallier
Duke gets airtime because he is an infamous hate monger who tried to run for office, and has quite a cult following. He's not some nobody. He does have the potential to cause harm.

"Cabal of global elitists" <<< even if so, this has nothing to do with the assinine "jewish conspiracy".

"There are evil jews" << of course, seeing as jews are HUMANS, there will be some who are horrible/evil and some who are good, and most being regular folk. I fail to see why you would even feel a need to point this out, as if they were some kind of mysterious "other".

It seems as if you think Duke is a pawn on behalf of "global capialists" or "elitists" to make anyone who questions authority seem like a crackpot. No, I don't see it that way. The fact Duke allowed himself to be interviewed by "a jew" doesn't mean it's a charade. In Duke's own writings from his blog he encourages "white people" to pretend to be jews and ally with them so as to undermine their conspiracy scheme... I linked some of that in this thread (and lol'ed heartily). Such an act of being interviewed by a jewish person is perfectly in line with such thinking.
Most of these more "intelligent" white supremacists are in favor of using "the jew" against himself by appearing on TV and spreading the word to the white people at homoe.

One of my first exposure to internet based white supremacists was reading a rolling stone magazine where William Pierce was interviewed. They made him look like a delusional old crackpot, but he still agreed to be interviewed to "expose the white race" to his message. Do you mean to say all of these white nationalists appearing in media are made up/pawns of "global elitists"?; December 27, 2012 at 8:15 PM
Galina L. said...: Anon,
I just never heard about that David Duke before, I trust you. But I will investigate a little bit on my own because it is what reasonable people do when they lack a personal knowledge before speaking out.

I just want you to know, there are people who are opposite to antisemitic crowd, who love and respect Jewish people. I met a lot of people in my life who I am grateful for helping me , somehow most of them were Jews. I also yet to meet a stupid Jewish person, however I understand that stupidity is a universal phenomenon. So, without knowing anything about you, I already have a positive presumption about your intelligence. Cheers!; December 27, 2012 at 8:18 PM
ItsTheWooo said...: @Sidereal I am writing GT an email right now:

MR TAUBES
NEXT TIME U MEET WITH THE CONTROLLERS OF THE UNIVERSE, I.E. UR JEW BRETHEREN, PLZ INFORM THEM JIMMY MOORE IS HOT ON YOUR TRAIL. IT IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME UNTIL THE WHITE RACE WAKES UP AND REBELS.
SINCERELY,
ITSTHEWOOO

What do you think? I'm kind of nervous to talk to Gary Taubes, does it show???

@Kade yes, I do apologize it seems as if I skimmed your post and missed the later part where you denounced him as the scum he is. Srry.

@Stargazey I'm sorry, I'm trying not to be condescending, but are you really attempting to argue that no christian southerner has held racist bigoted beliefs? Really? Are you aware the majority of the Klan consider themselves christian, and religion tends to be AS A RULE populated by hypocrites who interpret their preaching to suit them however they see fit?

Some of these guys make up their own religion (one w/o JEWZ) but many of them feel / see no contradiction in belief of a jewish conspiracy with christianity or racial superiority.

@Sweet tart I agree... the fact he defended him initially until the backlash was overwhelming is all the evidence required to conclude HE KNEW ABOUT DUKE. No one who is sane will defend david duke unless they also agree with him. Ignorance or agreement is the only explanation. We ruled out ignorance, evidenced by his repeated defenses.

@Galina As in agreement with anon & sweet tart, David Duke is so totally infamous, the ignorance excuse just doesn't hold water. In america, David Duke is a famous neonazi, he's been active for decades. I'm 30 and I've known about him since my childhood. There is no way J.M. didn't realize the impact of this. It was not an oversight. I refuse to believe he is that ignorant, particularly knowing in advance what a slick marketer JM is.

He had to have realized supporting duke was a FINANCIAL RISK he was willing to take. Any american is intelligent enough to realize, putting your name behind duke is not a way to increase profits, it's a way to RISK them. He clearly had other motivations for this, and the only conclusion I can come to is that he is invested in this jewish conspiracy/white separatist shit.; December 27, 2012 at 8:27 PM
ItsTheWooo said...: @EB
Sorry if it wasn't clear, but this was a genuine rant. Promoting David Duke an infamous white supremacist is really ... inexcusable. Shocking, and inexcusable.

Comparing David Duke to Richard Nikoley or Melissa? I don't even know what to say, it's not even in the same stratosphere.

David Duke is world wide known and has for decades tried to promote this destructive notion of a jewish conspiracy, incite hate and action against non-white people, believes in the superiority of being born with depigmented skin and eyes and hair, etc. For example, on his blog when describing the sandy hook mascare, he shows a picture of a child with almost completely depigmented skin/hair and then goes on to insanely say that "hollywood killed them" (i.e. the jew, as that is the same as hollywood). His message and ideas always boil down to JEWS trying to destroy the white race. He's a fucking monster.; December 27, 2012 at 8:34 PM
Galina L. said...: Ya, it looks like there is no ifs or buts about that Duke guy. I will get involved into making JM's position more known to others as well.; December 27, 2012 at 10:48 PM
xxxxxxxxxxxx said...: On Galliers point, the top 1% has amassed such grotesque levels of wealth and influence they have amassed a new nation of international blackwater mercenarie armed forces, media influences and political aparatuses. We are constantly asking ourselves why why why does real science get discarded, deadly drugs get distributed, evil agents like Duke have lucrative careers amidst a rather liberal populace, well theres partly your answer. Follow the money. These tenticles include some jewish folk, some muslim folk,some anglo saxon, ect ect. And yes they will sit down and chat when they know they are on the same payroll no matter what differences they have outwardly.------ with JM, I live hear in the deep south near Mexico, I grew up with a hateful blonde haired blue eyed devil for a father, people like JM who should know better make me physically ill, because hatred is real and bloodlust is real and these agents of rage seem to be dedicated to turning America into just one more place where victims of death squads and religious extremists of all stripes cant flee. Why ruin this haven? I truly dont understand. Maybe satan does exist.; December 28, 2012 at 2:08 AM
Stargazey said...: "are you really attempting to argue that no christian southerner has held racist bigoted beliefs?"

From the remarks you have made lately about Christians from the South, you might want to do more research into what they believe. I belong to a black Southern Baptist church, and belonged to another one prior to that. After nine total years of membership in black congregations, I have not detected any substantial doctrinal differences between white evangelical churches and black ones. And the black ones are definitely not white supremacist. Jimmy seems to be a fairly standard-issue evangelical Christian. There are some nut cases in every group, but from what I have seen of Jimmy's belief system, he is not one of them.; December 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM
Sweet Tart said...: @Stargazey, the fact that JM is an evangelical Christian is not proof that he doesn't hold white supremacist beliefs. That's absurd. Just because mainstream evangelical churches don't promote this crap doesn't mean that some of their members don't believe or espouse it. I have no idea what JM believes, but he linked to DD and he defended his link even when it was brought to his attention. The fact that he was on his radio show is even more damning. Would you not do the smallest amount of research before you agreed to be on someone's radio show?; December 28, 2012 at 9:05 AM
Stargazey said...: Wooo and Sweet Tart, I can see where you might draw the conclusions you do. However, in Jimmy's case, I'd guess that he is more motivated by money than by ideological zeal.

I had forgotten, but this sort of behavior is similar to what he did with Heidi Diaz and the whole Kimkins debacle. Using the pseudonym Kimmer, Heidi promoted a very low fat, very low calorie diet that was marketed as low-carb. If you did it according to the rules, you could lose half a pound a day. Sometimes more.

Kimmer had a pyramid scheme where associates could recruit members for Kimkins and get a portion of their membership fee when they signed up. Guess who was front and center in the whole project? That's right. Jimmy Moore. He promoted it everywhere and the dollars rolled in. He interviewed her three times on his podcast and made it sound like Kimkins was the best diet ever invented.

Then it turned out that, while Kimkins worked for weight loss, doing the diet for for any length of time caused your hair to fall out, your fingernails to break, your heart to start palpitating, and your mind to start drifting toward anorexia nervosa. Jimmy refused to see any of it. It was not until a bunch of low-carb heavy hitters met with him and issued ultimata that he finally admitted he was wrong and took down all his Kimkins stuff.

Long story short. Jimmy is committed to making money. Unless he is threatened with losing his livelihood, he doesn't let a little anorexia nervosa or white supremacy talk get in the way. And no, in Southern Christian churches we are not taught that making money trumps almost every other aspect of life. Why Jimmy believes that it does, I have no idea, but from the Kimkins story and several other incidents I know of, that seems to be his world view. So it's money, not white supremacy or whatever else, that makes Jimmy do what he does in the world of low-carb.; December 28, 2012 at 9:46 AM
js290 said...: To galleri2's point about the level of political discourse, perhaps we should be asking ourselves how many people has David Duke killed with predator drones?; December 29, 2012 at 12:00 AM
Anon said...: Internet Rule #48985: Smug internet douchebags can be identified by their use of the word "perhaps."; December 29, 2012 at 12:08 AM
gallier2 said...: @js290, why do you ask me?

I know about US imperialism and the thousands of innocents it kills constantly around the world (90% of drone strike victims are civilians as admitted by the Pentagon recently).

And that DD is a well poisoning device was the first point of my comments.; December 29, 2012 at 3:49 AM
Galina L. said...: Jimmy swears he knew about that Dr.Duke as much as me (a person who came to live in US 12 years ago at the age 40 yo) and didn't have enough time to Goole him. Doesn't sound reasonable, but what else he could say that may hold water? It looks like very business successful Dr.Davis is Jimmy's inspiration, but Jimmy is less lucky(and definitely not so stealthy). Dr.Davis has managed to get to so many places promoting "Wheat Belly" that his interview with LCarbing Nazi went unknoticed.; December 29, 2012 at 8:29 PM
D said...: "O I C, so you're basically misrepresenting the truth, then, making it seem as if there is some harvard jewish conspiracy when in reality perhaps more jewish people are QUALIFIED to get into harvard due to a cultural emphasis on education and achievement? I.e. you are a fucking bigot moron?"

I'm no Duke sympathizer, but something funny is happening with elite college admissions and Jews Vs white gentiles, even after controlling for IQ and achievement. The link below is long and is written by a Jew. NYT's columnist David Brooks even made the the paper his annual "sidney awards" winner. Unz is no kook. He shows his work. No conspiracy involved, but massive discrimination in favor of Jews and against white gentiles (and Asians).

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/; December 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM
Ducky Quacks said...: Jimmy Moore continues to link to David Duke in his so called apology, and to him again with broadcasts by Davis and McGuff. That's remorse? Sending that man more traffic?

And if you think Jimmy doesn’t know exactly who I am, ask him about Jimmy Moore: Good Gone Wrong and then once that was done, what happened next with Kimkins Exposed.

Here is what he wrote: http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/top-10-low-carb-movers-shakers-of-2007/2103

Finally, I couldn’t let this list of the year’s most influential movers & shakers go by without recognizing and honoring the impact of a collective group of people who helped bring awareness and concern about one of the biggest scams to ever hit the low-carb community. Yes, even I was pulled in by it and later apologized to my readers for not knowing better sooner. But the members of the online forum called Low-Carb Friends did. The “Why the Fascination with Kimmer?” thread is chock full of the day-to-day soap opera that has surrounded what has been known as the Kimkins diet since early in the year. The egregiousness of this starvation/anorexic diet that has since caused some major health problems for the most ardent supporter spawned a whole boatload of anti-Kimkins blogs. The most famous one of them all is Kimkins Exposed by someone or a group of people calling themselves Just Ducky. The duck avatar soon became synonymous with those who didn’t want to see the good name of the low-carb lifestyle being drug down with this dangerous diet scheme from a woman named Heidi Kimberly Diaz, a weight loss fraud who never lost a pound and a well-known scam artist. The low-carb community owes Low-Carb Friends and the anti-Kimkins bloggers an appreciative THANKS for all the work they did to expose this before more people got hurt.

Now where are my DUCKS?; December 30, 2012 at 10:50 PM
Stargazey said...: @ Ducky Quacks,

Medusa, is that you?; December 30, 2012 at 11:46 PM
Ducky Quacks said...: No, but Medusa kept up extensively with both blogs I did during Kimkins!; December 31, 2012 at 12:39 AM
Stargazey said...: Then you'd be Just Ducky???; December 31, 2012 at 1:16 AM
xxxxxxxxxxxx said...: I knew I never liked JM that much, but reading the title of that nonapology was just pathetic. It would be weak enough to point fingers and whine about davis and mc-whathisname, but no, Jm makes his vagina script with a heading that displays his thought processes. I mean really? My wife is crying? I bet you Christine wears the pants in the family and never shed one tear, just got all huffy and offended that anyone could ever have the audacity to even question any of their actions. Im not seeing hardly any expressions of a gag reflex to Dukes politics,,, and I suppose thats simply because his ideas simply dont bother jm that much. You learn more about jm by what he doesnt say than what he does. Its disgusting.; December 31, 2012 at 3:06 AM
Anon said...: He's lying about not knowing about Duke. Just completely, totally, bald-facedly lying.

He saw that Davis & McGuff had gotten away with it, and thought it would be no biggie for him. And in fact, he might have been right, except for the rabidity of the Carbsane posse.

But here I find myself in that camp. Jimmy is disgusting. I would like to know how many of his precious 'low carb cruise' patrons would show up if they knew their charming host was linking to and making appearances with someone with such a virulent, life-long hatred of all Jews.

Jimmy should have Duke as a speaker on a cruise. Duke can talk about how cutting wheat and sugar gave him back the energy it takes to make it through a long night of burning down churches without getting groggy.

It's disgusting. Disgusting. Moore simply has no shame.

His wife should be crying.; December 31, 2012 at 3:14 AM
xxxxxxxxxxxx said...: Lol!. As per Upton, Duke may have some amazingly tall and handsome references for JM to investigate for his new assistant position.; December 31, 2012 at 3:50 AM
Sidereal said...: @Anon

+1

How dare he lie like this? What non brain damaged adult who does not live a totally isolated existence does not know what a neo-Nazi is? Are we supposed to believe this FUCKING ABSURDITY? Also, David Duke (to give him his full scientific title) is extremely well-known. If I'm in Ireland and know about this guy, what are the chances that someone as plugged into the media as Jimmy, an American, doesn't? POR FAVOR.

That non-apology was such a feeble attempt at damage control. What's even more laughable is that he thought throwing Wheat Belly guy under the bus would somehow make things better for him but it's totally backfiring. LOL; December 31, 2012 at 6:08 AM
Sidereal said...: Also, "rabidity" has just entered my vocabulary.; December 31, 2012 at 6:23 AM
xxxxxxxxxxxx said...: What bothers me the most about this fiasco is, IF he had been very busy, tired, distracted and made a bad call that hurt his rep and didnt represent his viewpoint, then it would be very easy to say "sorry guys, I screwed up, bad."........

But IF he really admired Duke and enjoyed his time with the man and at least didnt get offended by his politics, THEN that would make an outright apology difficult. Its painfully clear that post created great anger in Jimmy. It shouldnt have. ----- I have to get my keto props eleswhere Im afraid.; December 31, 2012 at 7:17 AM
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Stargazey said...: Jimmy does have a problem with the truth. In the first Kimmer podcast, he commented on how good Kimmer looked, implying that this was a face-to-face interview. It was not until (1) it came out that Heidi Diaz (Kimmer) was a 300 pound cookie-muncher with no hair, and (2) the low-carb gurus had threatened him with punishment of some sort if he didn't renounce Kimkins, that Jimmy finally admitted it was a telephone interview and he hadn't seen Kimmer at all.

Later, in the early days of ZIOH (don't ask--it's another low-carb diet gone bad), some of the commenters noticed that Jimmy's Menus blog looked like he was eating out all the time. And the food he showed on some of his postings looked like food from various chain restaurants. We caught him dead to rights with a picture of a breakfast sitting on Denny's plates, sitting on Denny's placemats. A little more research showed that in other pictures, the type of plate seen under the food would match the type of plate used in a restaurant that had Jimmy's listed food items on the menu. Jimmy absolutely refused to admit that he wasn't preparing these meals himself and instead kept complaining about how poverty stricken he was.

Amyway, you're right about Jimmy being truth-challenged.; December 31, 2012 at 10:25 AM
Chris said...: @Stargazey

I remember that incident with the food photos!; December 31, 2012 at 12:37 PM
MissusF said...: Quack!

Nice to see you again Ducky.

As for Jimmy, I think he is a outright liar. Again.; December 31, 2012 at 7:27 PM
ItsTheWooo said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; December 31, 2012 at 10:04 PM
Ducky Quacks said...: Just Ducky, yes. Except the name wasn't available again. Follow to my profile where I have started again!; January 1, 2013 at 12:06 AM
Ducky Quacks said...: XXXXXXXXXX

Jimmy couldn't compose a proper apology this time since he didn't do it last time. Hint: ghost writer in 2007. At least that's the rumor that popped up in comments on carbsane's blog today. I think it's worth pursing a bit myself, I didn't think of it back with Kimkins.; January 1, 2013 at 12:11 AM
xxxxxxxxxxxx said...: @DQ,,, I never thought of that? A ghost writer is something he needs very much. His confidence after his weightloss, and aussy trip , caused a 'shoot from the hip' reactionary post that reflects in all its horror just how he thinks/feels. Not too business wise JM.; January 1, 2013 at 2:19 AM
ItsTheWooo said...: @D I don't doubt there is an element of bias in the admissions of top american univesities. We see evidence all the time when famous people get into these schools. Clearly lower grade/more chronic things must be occuring secondary to ethnicity or religion... but ultimately, the increased #s of jewish people in top universities is secondary to greater means (wealth) combined with greater emphasis on acheivement and academics.

Contrast to your average non-jewish community: far less wealth, far weaker emphasis on education and acheivement, surprise suprise a lot less doctors and lawyers and ivy league educated individuals.

Even if we assume there is a bias, it isn't so great as to entirely explain the gap. The article itself states jews were 30% of admissions to harvard even when it was exclusively WASP controlled and they were trying to keep jews *out* of it (and then jews dropped as low as 15%, which is still dramatically higher than their population).

It's interesting to think my grandfather attended harvard in the 1920s! Maybe he was admitted to keep TEH JEW MENACE out of their schools as suggested by this article... he was offered full tuition / scholarship. Although grandpa was super SMARTS so...

@Ducky Quacks/Stargazey I just want to thank you for filling me in on the extent of how shitty is JM. I had no idea he was this big of a liar and a scam artist. I really didn't. It seems he has a history of terrible behavior for $$$ and he just covers it up and gets away with it somehow because he makes sure to stay far enough away to take the fall out full on. Not this time, though, which is why he is really camping up the "poor me my wife is crying" crap.

@Anon , Sidereal nail on head as usual!; January 1, 2013 at 3:05 AM
Evelyn aka CarbSane said...: @Stargazey: I'm listening to the first podcast with Kimmer now, because I read your comment and thought that was a "killer" in terms of Jimmy's truthfulness.

http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/shownotes/wp-content/uploads/llvlcep70-Kimmers-of-kimkins.mp3

However, I am listening and while Jimmy is certainly shilling for the diet, etc., I do not get the impression that this is a face-to-face interview. Did I miss something?

It would seem that I am based on comments left by LC4Me and others on my blog about how Jimmy was pressured by appealing to the bigger names and had to admit he didn't meet her.

I'd greatly appreciate any hints/info here. Or you can email me carbsane at gmail dot com, or comment on my blog. The JimmyKKKins post has rocketed into 2nd all time hits so it will be easy to find on the sidebar ;); January 3, 2013 at 2:16 PM
ItsTheWooo said...: That podcast with kimmer is creepy, to think that's actually a morbidly obese woman pretending to have lost hundreds of pounds...

"My final weight is between 118 and 122" <--- total lies!!!

It's also interesting how she begins her interview with sexual innuendo talking about how she developed "early" and has stretch marks on her boobs and thighs, totally unprompted. Evidence of her histrionic personality, to say this immediately without being prompted at all.

Why on earth would Jimmy still host this interview? Why wouldn't he remove it and apologize? Does this guy care about his credibility at all? Does he think we're puppies that live in the moment?; January 3, 2013 at 7:30 PM